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Ken Saro-Wiwa And The Ogoni 8: Pardon For What Crime? (10803 Views)

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DeOTR: 10:00am On Jun 13
OredoPikin:

Exoneration refers to a legal declaration that a person who was previously convicted of wrongdoing is innocent.

Exoneration is the word not pardon because they were convicted wrongly.
Olodo
Defending every rubbish
Tinubu istration has really exposed you all
You realized people also lost their lives as a result of the activities of the ogoni 9? They're not totally innocent in the course of fighting for a just cause.
If you're protesting an illegality and instigated violence that resulted in the loss of lives, and the breakdown of law and order. Nobody will exonerate you.

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DeOTR: 10:03am On Jun 13
SpatialKing:


Instead of pardoning

Revoke the conviction in the first place
Condemn and boldly state that the conviction was Un constitutional....

Pardoning means the conviction was correct and right in the first place
The President should revoke a conviction from a competent court of law?
Does that even sound legal to you?
SpatialKing(m): 10:10am On Jun 13
DeOTR:

The President should revoke a conviction from a competent court of law?
Does that even sound legal to you?

The president can ask the attorney general to file for a review of the case to be revoked in a federal high Court or Supreme Court...

Stop making it sound like is impossible
commoditiesnig: 10:23am On Jun 13
Rufex07:
Since they were convicted by the previous istration, it is logical to cancel out such conviction with a pardon
Very true. As a radio presenter rightly said its just "semantics". Pardon covers exoneration.

The writer is just playing with words.. Much ado about nothing

The Most Important thing to me is the National Honour given them

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SouthSouth1914: 10:27am On Jun 13
AntiChristian:
Pardon may not mean they were guilty! How else would innocent people legally killed during the military regime be recognised that they were illegally killed?

Maybe saying they were illegally killed and what happened then was a miscarriage of justice!

That simple.

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soojar(m): 10:58am On Jun 13
Thestonyroack:

Taofik Adekunle Jimoh (JAAT) is the Editor of News Bulletin Nigeria.

And the person that wrote this is an editor of a news outlet.

So many educated illiterates in Nigeria.

If you want to reverse the conviction by a competent law court (or tribunal in this case) you have to go back to the courts.

The only thing an executive arm of government can grant you is a pardon and not pronounce you innocent against court rulings.



We learn every day
Hemanwel(m): 11:08am On Jun 13
Fiscus105:
Officially, they are convicted and criminals by federal republic of Nigeria, as gazetted by one govt,( even though it was cooked up allegations), so,banother govt must also nullify such convictions.

Just like fathom coup of Gen Diya, even though it was orchacrasted by junta himself, yet, the official position was that they planned to take over govt.

Another analogy, if you are being arrested when they were arresting rogues and you are completely innocent, they took you to court and Court convicted you alongside with criminals.

Even though you are innocent, before the public, you are criminal, if govt didn't pardon you, you remain convicted criminal forever.(Dead or alive)
When I read the OP's write up, I initially agreed with him. However, reading through the comments (and especially yours), I realised the president did the right thing. Thanks for this piece! You are a good teacher.
dederocs(m): 11:35am On Jun 13
LZAA:


Too many kids on this platform
This particular story is well known
I tell you, so many of them are uninformed.

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dederocs(m): 11:37am On Jun 13
SouthSouth1914:


Maybe saying they were illegally killed and what happened then was a miscarriage of justice!

That simple.
They were prosecuted and executed by a govt in Nigeria, military junta or not, a pardon definitely means he thinks the execution was unjustified.
dederocs(m): 11:40am On Jun 13
OredoPikin:

Exoneration refers to a legal declaration that a person who was previously convicted of wrongdoing is innocent.

Exoneration is the word not pardon because they were convicted wrongly.
Olodo
Defending every rubbish
Tinubu istration has really exposed you all
Nothing like exoneration when the person was executed, pardon is in order. Study more before arguing blindly. Presidents declare amnesty or pardon nothing like exoneration.
SpatialKing(m): 1:21pm On Jun 13
DeOTR:

The President should revoke a conviction from a competent court of law?
Does that even sound legal to you?

Tinubu has an Attorney general, he can ask him to file a counter petition to review the judgment in any competent court of law...

That is the proper thing to be done...
SouthSouth1914: 1:25pm On Jun 13
dederocs:

They were prosecuted and executed by a govt in Nigeria, military junta or not, a pardon definitely means he thinks the execution was unjustified.

We are saying the same thing! They were prosecuted in kangaroo style judgement.
dederocs(m): 1:31pm On Jun 13
SpatialKing:


Tinubu have an Attorney general, he can ask him to file a counter petition to review the judgment in any competent court of law...

That is the proper thing to be done...

Some people saw Saro wiwa instigating the crowd, and pointing to them who their perceived enemies (traitors) were, and on the day the chiefs were attacked and mobbed, the mob moved from a rally hosted by Saro Wiwa, and went straight to where the slained chiefs were having their meeting and mobbed them there...a Son of one of the slained chief and a few Ogonis attested to it, whether his punishment warrants execution is another matter entirely. I totally respect Sir Ken Saro Wiwa, and the struggle he fought and died for, salute to that...but sometimes events need to be see as they are, so we make valid conclusions and future corrections.

The president has done what is within his previledges and issued a pardon, by issuing a pardon it shows the process of the prosecution is not fair enough...the president has done what he can do on the matter.

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Dijita: 2:21pm On Jun 13
DeOTR:

What you should ask yourself is, were the ogoni 9 legally convicted in the court of law? No be to dey chochocho.
How do you even want the federal government to give national honors to a set of people that were legally convicted of crimes in the past if not to grant them pardon first?
OK, so Tinubu should just declare them not guilty? You're slow.

Their comments revealed their level of education. I am not talking of university degree.
SpatialKing(m): 3:53pm On Jun 13
dederocs:

Some people saw Saro wiwa instigating the crowd, and pointing to them who their perceived enemies (traitors) were, and on the day the chiefs were attacked and mobbed, the mob moved from a rally hosted by Saro Wiwa, and went straight to where the slained chiefs were having their meeting and mobbed them there...a Son of one of the slained chief and a few Ogonis attested to it, whether his punishment warrants execution is another matter entirely. The president has done what is within his previledges and issued a pardon, by issuing a pardon it shows the process of the prosecution is not fair enough...the president has done what he can do on the matter.

Tinubu forming emergency lover of Niger Delta people..

While all the oil and gas organizations HQ are located in Lagos why not move back to Niger Delta
ThebestPromise: 5:14pm On Jun 13
For education purpose, only judiciary can exonerate why the president can only pardon.

The judgement was based on the promulgated decree and execution carried out in that respect.

I think the president should be commended and not critised for the gestures.
SpatialKing:
What a blow and embarrassment to the good people of Niger Delta

Instead of pardoning

Revoke the conviction in the first place
Condemn and boldly state that the conviction was Un constitutional....

Pardoning means the conviction was correct and right in the first place

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ThebestPromise: 5:19pm On Jun 13
The moment Nigeria went into democracy, all the decrees became ineffective and ho do you file a counter petition to challenge non existent decrees

SpatialKing:


Tinubu has an Attorney general, he can ask him to file a counter petition to review the judgment in any competent court of law...

That is the proper thing to be done...

SpatialKing(m): 5:52pm On Jun 13
ThebestPromise:

The moment Nigeria went into democracy, all the decrees became ineffective and ho do you file a counter petition to challenge non existent decrees


How do you pardon someone that the degree that sentence them was ineffective?

Is just like telling someone they are now free of HIV when they never had it

The pardon is so unnecessary

Is like pardoning someone of crime they never committed or a crime that never existed..

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flow26(m): 6:23pm On Jun 13
They were officially convicted via a government tribunal so they have to be pardoned officially. If not they remain executed convicts by law
Morizo(m): 7:16pm On Jun 13
Thestonyroack:

Taofik Adekunle Jimoh (JAAT) is the Editor of News Bulletin Nigeria.

I cannot agree more with the writer. This government should be compensating the family for the grave injustice of their sins murder by the Nigerian state commandered by General Abacha.

Nigeria was declared a pariah country by that act of Abacha. We did not partake in the Nations cup and Many international events. If it was justified why did the world turned it's back on us?
hush15: 7:40pm On Jun 13
Thestonyroack:

Taofik Adekunle Jimoh (JAAT) is the Editor of News Bulletin Nigeria.

Tinubu is only trying to chase clout with the awards even though the recipients were well deserving. Nigeria isn't sincere with history. We don't tell historical truths. We don't document truth as it happens. When it is done,it's for personal glory and self aggrandizement. We don't even teach it. What we have and propagate is political clout and charade. Today, our history is being tainted and narrated with political ambitions and sentiments.

If Nigeria cannot the disastrous days of Buhari in the 80s and still voted him to entrenched that disaster and nonsense we have today, I wonder of what purpose is history or you don't know why they say Nigerians forget too soon...
Kalvan50: 9:10pm On Jun 13
chukwutee:
So many illiterate in Nigeria , although Nigeria is not an educated country,so understandably,according to the laws of the land then, they have committed a crime,according to procedures, subsequent rulings can only pardon them. Read the last pardons from trumps and co

Honestly, I'm shocked at how dumb people can be. Thanks for educating them.
Kalvan50: 9:13pm On Jun 13
SpatialKing:
What a blow and embarrassment to the good people of Niger Delta

Instead of pardoning

Revoke the conviction in the first place
Condemn and boldly state that the conviction was Un constitutional....

Pardoning means the conviction was correct and right in the first place

Tinubu doesn't have the power to do that. That's for a court to do. As an executive ruler not a king, he is able to pardon not overrule a conviction in spite of it being an unjust one.
Dagrace01(m): 7:54am On Jun 14
Gbadugbakun:
Tinubu doesn't even know what he's doing. He's own is to read prepared speech to Nigerians then loot our money.


What would have advised?
Olodo...
Please expantiate
BluntCrazeMan: 9:11am On Jun 14
Thestonyroack:

Taofik Adekunle Jimoh (JAAT) is the Editor of News Bulletin Nigeria.


So, in summary,, Tinubu just insulted Ken-Saro-Wiwa and the other 8 (and all their bereaved families) even the more.!!
caesymore(m): 9:44am On Jun 14
stuffs2002:
They could only be pardoned since they were convicted and yes your English level is poor.


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Thestonyroack
Justnation
Gbadugbakun
caesymore
OredoPikin
SpatialKing
mariovito
Eleph


You are seriously deranged of reason.

Your almighty president is pardoning people that were wrongly accused , pardoning an offence doesn't except one from actually committing the crime.

Just allow me to sleep as I said, you lack the moral reasoning to be unbiased with the activities of this istration.
SpatialKing(m): 10:32am On Jun 14
caesymore:



You are seriously deranged of reason.

Your almighty president is pardoning people that were wrongly accused , pardoning an offence doesn't except one from actually committing the crime.

Just allow me to sleep as I said, you lack the moral reasoning to be unbiased with the activities of this istration.


Pardoning of offense they never committed just to be an emergency lover of South South..

South South would have completed 8yrs of presidency but Tinubu sabotaged everything...

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caesymore(m): 10:50am On Jun 14
SpatialKing:



Pardoning of offense they never committed just to be an emergency lover of South South..

South South would have completed 8yrs of presidency but Tinubu sabotaged everything...

True True Nigerian has gone to the dogs.

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